@hbxcskier – Well, that depends. The draft isn’t slavery. On the other hand, what would you call being forced by the gov’t to work against your will and without pay? If that comes to fruition, could ObamaCare be argued as a violation of the 13th amendment? Maybe.
@EhSteve11 – They had the same nonsense in Puerto Rico. Now it takes one form (on-line if you like) and a two week wait to open a business. Puerto Rico is dumping socialism and moving toward freedom.
@hbxcskier – In the U.S., no it isn’t. The 13th amendment abolishes slavery and involuntary servitude. The Supreme Court ruled that compulsory military service is not involuntary servitude. It has to do with the intent of the law. Congress did not intend the draft to be involuntary servitude.
“The intent of the legislators constitutes the law.”
US Supreme Court
Steward vs Kahn 78 US 504
So a problem made worse by government edicts can be solved by government edicts? Why not allow free markets and competition to work and revamp our entire system?
I fear any “super power” that has the ability to enslave us as Rand describes. I’m an engineer. You have no right to have the government come to my house and force me to engineer something for you.
Same goes for doctors.
I know you can’t intellectually grasp a simple idea that forcing someone to do something (even by proxy) is akin to slavery.
LOL.. Is this guy a doctor? health worker?? Pity the poor sods who think he is able to tie his own shoes, wipe his own arse! The guy is mentally retarded.. Really makes me worry about this so called “super power”
The hyperbolic rhetoric is getting out of control. “They’re going to kick down my door in the middle of the night and drag me away to force me to treat you”. What a fucking drama queen.
@2ndAsstJizzMopper ah, ok, insults when you don’t agree – gotcha – typing slowly now for ya:
“you’re going to enslave me” (Slavery) compared to right to healthcare
yeah, still an analogy to me
@ShaelRiley I am not aware of what the offical tax rate is in Haiti, found this on wiki
According to a World Bank report in 2006, “In Haiti, the process of business regulations is complex and customs procedures are lengthy.”[8] On average, opening a business took 204 days.
A libertarian paridise? Yep, too much capitalism clearly.
Real classy, just flag every comment you disagree with as spam so no one gets to see the reasonable responses. You know you lost this argument that’s why you had to resort to this cheap tactic.
I live in the UK and our NHS costs the state half as much as the healthcare in the US, and it is free, and it is ranked higher by the World Health Organisation (UK = 18th, USA = 37th)
America has universal defence, universal policing, universal fire fighting, universal customs, universe post, but universal health care thats communist!!
I don’t understand, how is demanding the right to other people’s labor not slavery?
Universal Healthcare is slavery b/c it implies that you have the right to other people’s services.
Serious reading comprehension problems. You want to help those in need? Donate to charity and hospitals like real good people. Don’t use force or petition the heavy immoral hand of big government to force people to do things. Health care is a service. You are not entitled to other people’s services.
ShaelRiley, you believe that not all humans are created equal with regard to rights. that’s the problem. has nothing to do with rights not discussed by the constitution. the constitution is, by definition, wholly irrelevant to unalienable rights.
The government has every right to take money out of your pocket and use it to put every child through school, and the government will do that to you forever. And there’s nothing you can ever do about it, because lawmakers don’t interpret the constitution as conservatively as they did when it was drafted, and they never will again, and I’m very glad about that. If you don’t like it, maybe you should move to a Libertarian paradise like Haiti, where you’ll really get a sense of a low-tax nation.
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July 4, 2011 at 4:17 pm
@hbxcskier – Well, that depends. The draft isn’t slavery. On the other hand, what would you call being forced by the gov’t to work against your will and without pay? If that comes to fruition, could ObamaCare be argued as a violation of the 13th amendment? Maybe.
July 4, 2011 at 4:56 pm
@ShaelRiley Somalia, not Haiti. FTFY.
July 4, 2011 at 4:58 pm
LOL the CONservatives are payed millions of dollars by the health insurance corporations to make up horseshit like this.
July 4, 2011 at 5:44 pm
@B17Boy So Paul’s comparison is just as invalid then.
July 4, 2011 at 6:23 pm
@EhSteve11 – They had the same nonsense in Puerto Rico. Now it takes one form (on-line if you like) and a two week wait to open a business. Puerto Rico is dumping socialism and moving toward freedom.
July 4, 2011 at 7:18 pm
@hbxcskier – In the U.S., no it isn’t. The 13th amendment abolishes slavery and involuntary servitude. The Supreme Court ruled that compulsory military service is not involuntary servitude. It has to do with the intent of the law. Congress did not intend the draft to be involuntary servitude.
“The intent of the legislators constitutes the law.”
US Supreme Court
Steward vs Kahn 78 US 504
July 4, 2011 at 7:59 pm
@kayddle I know what he’s saying. My original comment still stands.
July 4, 2011 at 7:59 pm
@Aviator9999
So a problem made worse by government edicts can be solved by government edicts? Why not allow free markets and competition to work and revamp our entire system?
July 4, 2011 at 8:26 pm
@whiskasalpha
I fear any “super power” that has the ability to enslave us as Rand describes. I’m an engineer. You have no right to have the government come to my house and force me to engineer something for you.
Same goes for doctors.
I know you can’t intellectually grasp a simple idea that forcing someone to do something (even by proxy) is akin to slavery.
July 4, 2011 at 9:20 pm
LOL.. Is this guy a doctor? health worker?? Pity the poor sods who think he is able to tie his own shoes, wipe his own arse! The guy is mentally retarded.. Really makes me worry about this so called “super power”
July 4, 2011 at 10:08 pm
The draft is slavery.
July 4, 2011 at 10:21 pm
The hyperbolic rhetoric is getting out of control. “They’re going to kick down my door in the middle of the night and drag me away to force me to treat you”. What a fucking drama queen.
July 4, 2011 at 11:01 pm
@2ndAsstJizzMopper ah, ok, insults when you don’t agree – gotcha – typing slowly now for ya:
“you’re going to enslave me” (Slavery) compared to right to healthcare
yeah, still an analogy to me
July 4, 2011 at 11:43 pm
@ShaelRiley I am not aware of what the offical tax rate is in Haiti, found this on wiki
According to a World Bank report in 2006, “In Haiti, the process of business regulations is complex and customs procedures are lengthy.”[8] On average, opening a business took 204 days.
A libertarian paridise? Yep, too much capitalism clearly.
July 5, 2011 at 12:42 am
Real classy, just flag every comment you disagree with as spam so no one gets to see the reasonable responses. You know you lost this argument that’s why you had to resort to this cheap tactic.
July 5, 2011 at 12:53 am
TheFluffyDuck, check your “logic”.
July 5, 2011 at 1:11 am
I live in the UK and our NHS costs the state half as much as the healthcare in the US, and it is free, and it is ranked higher by the World Health Organisation (UK = 18th, USA = 37th)
July 5, 2011 at 1:28 am
America has universal defence, universal policing, universal fire fighting, universal customs, universe post, but universal health care thats communist!!
Seriously America the fuck?
July 5, 2011 at 2:05 am
I don’t understand, how is demanding the right to other people’s labor not slavery?
Universal Healthcare is slavery b/c it implies that you have the right to other people’s services.
Serious reading comprehension problems. You want to help those in need? Donate to charity and hospitals like real good people. Don’t use force or petition the heavy immoral hand of big government to force people to do things. Health care is a service. You are not entitled to other people’s services.
July 5, 2011 at 2:16 am
ShaelRiley, you believe that not all humans are created equal with regard to rights. that’s the problem. has nothing to do with rights not discussed by the constitution. the constitution is, by definition, wholly irrelevant to unalienable rights.
July 5, 2011 at 3:09 am
@2ndAsstJizzMopper I believe in rights not covered by the constitution.
July 5, 2011 at 4:00 am
ShaelRiley, you apparently aren’t aware of the meaning of the phrase “has every right”.
July 5, 2011 at 4:37 am
The government has every right to take money out of your pocket and use it to put every child through school, and the government will do that to you forever. And there’s nothing you can ever do about it, because lawmakers don’t interpret the constitution as conservatively as they did when it was drafted, and they never will again, and I’m very glad about that. If you don’t like it, maybe you should move to a Libertarian paradise like Haiti, where you’ll really get a sense of a low-tax nation.